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Some people say that Arabs are "native Palestinians", while Jews are
"invaders" and "settlers".  But I read the biographies of Israeli and
Palestinian political leaders, and I was confused. Who of Israeli or
Palestinian leaders were born in Palestine?

ISRAELI LEADERS:

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, Born 21 October 1949 in Tel Aviv.

EHUD BARAK, Born 12 February 1942 in Mishmar HaSharon, British Mandate of
Palestine

ARIEL SHARON, Born 26 February 1928 in Kfar Malal, British Mandate of
Palestine

EHUD OLMERT, Born 30 September 1945 in Binyamina-Giv'at Ada, British Mandate
of Palestine.

ITZHAK RABIN, Born 1 March 1922 in Jerusalem, British Mandate of Palestine.

ITZHAK NAVON, Israeli President in 1977-1982. Born 9 April 1921 in
Jerusalem, British Mandate of Palestine.

EZER WEIZMAN, Israeli President in 1993-2000. Born 15 June 1924 in Tel Aviv,
British Mandate of Palestine.


ARAB PALESTINIAN LEADERS:

YASSER ARAFAT, Born 24 August 1929 in Cairo, Egypt

SAEB ERAKAT, Born April 28, 1955, in Jordan. He has the Jordanian
citizenship.

FAISAL ABDEL QADER AL-HUSSEINI, Born in1948 in Bagdad, Iraq.

SARI NUSSEIBEH, Born in 1949 in Damascus, Syria.

MAHMOUD AL-ZAHAR, Born in 1945, in Cairo, Egypt.


So, Israeli leaders, born in Palestine, are “settlers or invaders,”  while
Palestinian Arab leaders who were born in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Tunisia are
“native Palestinians” ?
Please read and pass on, my dad got it by e-mail.
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:iconthe-conquerors:
The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
In regards Husseini  fav.me/d7znvql... ~ C
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DynamicSynthesism Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014
The problem, as I understand it, is that the term 'palestinian' doesn't really have any geographical meaning. It has a political meaning, which goes something like, "anyone who lives around Israel and doesn't like Israel." lol. But geographically... in terms of maps and history (and, well, common sense) there isn't any such animal as Plestinian.
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yup what do you call my grandfather who was born in the land of Israel in 1914. 
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Whimseystock Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013   General Artist
That is just a political comment.  Even ancient history shows the land has always belonged to Israel.
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:iconhermione75:
Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Fuel for the soul thanks
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Whimseystock Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013   General Artist
:hug:  May God's blessing rest with favor upon you and your family and upon Israel.
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
thanks 
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Whimseystock Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013   General Artist
It is a great privilege. :hug:
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
;)
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morningstarskid Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Professional Artist
Abraham.........was a.....GIFT OF YHYH..to all the worls...as was Yeshua...
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
as an orthodox Jew I wouldn't put it that way, but o.k. appreciate the intention.
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Joke - During an UN meeting the Palestinian representative talked about Israel stealing land that is rightfully the Palestinians by ancient right.

Then the Israeli representative begins to speak. "This conflict between Israel and Palestine goes back to the ancients. A few days before Moses committed the mistake that prevented him from entering the Promised Land, a Palestinian ran up to Moses and pushed him to the ground."

"That never happened! There were Palestinians back then!" yells the Palestinian representative.

The Israeli representative immediately points a finger at the Palestinian. "Ah ha! So you do admit the Palestinians are not an ancient people who existed before Israel was founded!"
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yup an oldy but a goody!
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
"That never happened! There weren't Palestinians back then!" yells the Palestinian representative.

Nothing like a frickin' typo to screw up a joke!
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yoyonah Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Very well put.
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
love these kinds of things that come over the e-mail, a new kind of art/literature/documentary of life.
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yoyonah Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Indeed.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Yum.
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Beteavon (eat with Appetite ....Hebrew for Bon appetit)
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
I don't think that's what they mean but ok XD It's not so much the leaders of the PLO/Hamas etc, but the actual people of Palestine who have lived there for generations
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
some yes, some no. My family (on my mothers father's side) has been in Israel since 1808-1809, there have always been Jews in Israel ever since the days of the bible. If you read Mark Twain's account of the almost empty land of Israel in 1869 [link] 13 years before the first wave of Jewish imagration to the land of Israel [link] once the Jews started coming home to the land of Israel and improving the living conditions, then many of the so called Palestinians started moving to the land of Israel.
Every since 1882 we the Jews have payed good money and blood for the land, and since 1948 and 1967 we have made several attempts to reach and agreement that doesn't include national suicide.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
Sure, there have always been a few thousand Jews in Israel, as there have been in most countries in the world over the course of the diaspora. Throughout the nineteenth century and well past the First Aliyah the vast majority of the population were Arabic. By the founding of Israel in 1948 there were around 2 million residents, 68% of whom were Arabic (Muslims, Christians and Druze), with the rest being Jewish.

Whether more Arabs emigrated to Israel after the first few Aliyahs is disputable, but it's beside the point, since the population of Israel/Palestine was already overwhelmingly Arabic.
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davidsobe Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
The population was overwhelmingly Arab because Jewish migration and residence were severely restricted.  The Jews who emigrated steadily beginning in the nineteenth century were not settling in Israel, they were returning.    
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013
Really? There where limits on Jewish immigration before 1948? You could say they were 'returning' to their Biblical homeland from 3000 years ago, but it's not more than a ceremonial truth - they weren't already residents of Palestine. There were only a handful of Jews in Palestine before the first Aliyah, there were more in Britain at the time!
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davidsobe Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
You are so funny.  You're taking time away from your conspiratorial movement -- when you do that, are they down to two or three agitators?  You seem to be a one-man rapid response team, roaming though Deviant's comments and setting them straight.  I think Ambien might help.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013
Lol, you're the one who joined in this conversation, and I couldn't be bothered to respond to you til now since it's kind of a tedious topic. You're welcome to not keep responding, if it's annoying you so much.
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davidsobe Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
That's the first thing you've said that makes sense.
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
overwhelmingly Arabic? maybe, but how many? Christians in Israel are saying today that they no longer want to be called Arab, and are much happier with us since unlike the Muslims we let them be. Druze serve in the Israeli army so they have no problem with us.
Whether more Arabs emigrated to Israel after the first few Aliyahs is disputable---ask any unbiased historian.
The question isn't 1948, but the 66 years up to that point, why did many of the Muslims come to the land of Israel? and why in a post-WWII war with many refuges being displaced all over the world is this still an issue? what about the Jews who were persecuted in Iraq, Iran, Egypt,Morocco, Algeria, Yemen, Tunisia, Libya- there were thrown in Jail, beaten, their property stolen, just because we the Jewish people dared to establish a state.
In 1948 -700,000 Palestinians were displaced, most by their own choice or bad advice of their leaders.
Between 1948-1967 more then 800,000 Jews in Muslim were forced out.
The only difference is that we the Jews take care of our own and were more than happy to embrace them in Israel, while the Palestinians are hated, and discriminated by their fellow Arabs and Muslims to this day.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013
What I'm saying is that it's been disputed by both sides and is a contentious issue. The population statistics from UN sources of the time point unambiguously to a greater percentage of Arabic residents though, so the question of post-Aliyah immigration is unimportant on this point.

You're right - many Muslims came to Israel because of the rising living standards in the region and the flourishing agriculture due to the kibbutzim in what was previously extremely arid desert. I don't think anyone would disagree with that! All I'm saying is that the population statistics for every successive tally from 1800-1950s point to a much greater proportion of Arabs to Jews in the population. I'll link to the figures in a later response.

As to the rest of the comment, I don't want to take sides. I agree that it has been exceptionally difficult for the Israeli population to settle itself and I strongly oppose Islamist anti-Semitic theocratic dictatorships but it's dangerous to take a one-sided approach and demonise all opposition to Zionism and Israeli foreign policy in principle. I am keenly aware of the racism and anti-Semitism that many Islamists use as an argument against Israel, however.
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
let's go back to basics:
In 1948 the Jews agreed to the :"United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine""[link]
but the Arab nations started an all out war, we by the grace of God won, so to bad.
since 1992 we have been in negotiations with the Palestinians, and went so far as to offer most of the west bank in 2000 but the Palestinian side started the second Intifada [link]
Every time we try to be more then fair we have had our hand not slapped away but almost shot off.
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Kajm Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
May I submit this to a political debate group?
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Hermione75 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
yes, thank u.
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